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31 August 2007

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That was water it dropped? Why was it red?

It's not water, actually... it's a fire retardant.

Nice footage from Cupertino. The background on the aircraft is interesting, but puzzling to me in the end. The U.S. Forest Service has not approved this aircraft to work on fires under their jurisdiction, so it's strictly for state property, it seems.

The USFS reason for disallowing the tanker from fires on their land is not the usual argument -- that jet engines can be unnervingly and sometimes disastrously slow to spool up in an emergency (search for Paris Air Show A320 impacted trees or Delta 191). In fact, California has already wisely decided this will not be used for frontline suppression, where such incidents would be more likely, but more for the use it was just put to, laying down extended firebreaks.

The USFS says the reason it can't work on federal jurisdiction fires is that the aircraft has exceeded what they say is its design airframe hours (total flight time). They're saying 67,000 hours, but I can't seem to find reference to that total as the design lifetime hours for the DC-10. In fact, I found references to DC-10s still flying with 200,000+ airframe hours, and references that said design airframe hours were 100,000+ on one or two other aircraft from the DC-10 era.

Does anybody know the scoop on this? I'm curious as to whether this 67,000 number is arbitrary on the part of the USFS or perhaps it's a "down to the skeleton" overhaul point for that model of DC-10 and the company that rebuilt the aircraft as a tanker hasn't shown proof they did that. I'd also like to know the history and reasoning (if any) behind what appears to be a long-standing aversion to large tankers on the part of the USFS.

If their real reason is the slow engine spool-up on large jets and the understandable fear of a resulting spectacular addition to a fire (with thousands of pounds of jet fuel) that's under their control, they should just be honest. Heck, even turboprops sometimes aren't quick enough. There are scenes in "Always" (an underrated movie, I think), that still make me grind my teeth, sweat, and go, "Ack!" all at the same time.

This plane saved our proverbial "asses" down here in Santa Barbara.

I say "hurray!"

Spool-up time shouldn't be an issue if you fly it right. If you need quick response then never let the engines get down near idle. The photo shows flaps deployed (not clear how much, but quite a lot) which would keep the engines in the responsive power band.

So, I guess there's some other reason ...

Wow. Home.

Near Steven's Creek dam?

Homestead, class of 73

Even knew the Job's, dated Patty J, "inhaled" with Woz's little brother P. Job's family lived up near Grant Rd., around the corner and up the street from my folks. Great peaceful place to grow up in the 70's, for certain.

Recall seeing Steve doing that "blackbox" thing with phones in the Shell station on the corner of Grant and Newcastle at 3:00am (no, don't ask what I was doing up at 3:00 ;<)

Man, went back there (first time in 17 years in states), couldn't believe how big the trees had grown in Los Altos around the Foothill/Grant area. Like tunnels, across the streets, sweet.

Hell, I didn't recognize anything, anywhere, especially up near Hwy 85 in Cupertino.

Lost it's charm, except that great weather (there October 1, 2006), THAT still is best time, best weather, anywhere. Like now, eh?

Why does the federal government struggle with common sense?
We have many fire trucks that should not be on the street because they have exceeded their useful life, but we maintain them and use them.
A quality resource is a quality resource, obviously it has a great impact. Cost is a consideration, this jet is very expensive to fly.

Why does the federal government struggle with common sense?
We have many fire trucks that should not be on the street because they have exceeded their useful life, but we maintain them and use them.
A quality resource is a quality resource, obviously it has a great impact. Cost is a consideration, this jet is very expensive to fly.

Why does the federal government struggle with common sense?
We have many fire trucks that should not be on the street because they have exceeded their useful life, but we maintain them and use them.
A quality resource is a quality resource, obviously it has a great impact. Cost is a consideration, this jet is very expensive to fly.

http://media.independent.com/img/ads/gapfire/TankerDropHi.jpg

Very cool photos. Do you know what fire-retardant chemical they use in these air drops? I hope it's not something that winds up with the side effect of poisoning people.

Very interesting and informative blog.

Please share this with other in the bizymoms Cupertino community

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